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Helen Tupper: Hello, I am Helen. Sarah Ellis: And I am Sarah. Helen Tupper: And that is the Squiggly Careers podcast, a weekly podcast the place we discuss in regards to the ins, outs, ups and downs of labor and share some concepts for motion, some instruments so that you can check out, to offer you slightly bit extra confidence and management over your profession improvement. And this week, we’re diving into the world of synthetic intelligence. Sarah Ellis: I am unable to imagine that we’re, to be sincere! Helen Tupper: I am unable to imagine I’ve received you to do it! Sarah Ellis: Possibly AI could possibly be recording this! Helen Tupper: I do not know. Possibly it is not you, possibly it is not me. No, I really feel prefer it is perhaps slicker if it was AI than us! Sarah Ellis: A lot slicker! Helen Tupper: A lot slicker than what is perhaps coming! Yeah, I am fairly stunned that I’ve persuaded you to do that, and then you definately’ve gone off and found a great deal of different stuff. I am very impressed together with your dedication to the podcast this week. Sarah Ellis: Properly, you already know, open mindset and all that! Helen Tupper: So, we’ll let you know slightly bit extra about what we’ve carried out and learnt and the way it will assist you to together with your improvement in a minute, however Sarah, I do know that you’ve some excellent news for our listeners. Sarah Ellis: I do certainly. So, Squiggly Profession e-book. We now have turned The Squiggly Profession right into a video e-book. I say we; we did not do any of the manufacturing, which is why it seems unbelievable and has attention-grabbing animations, it has us on display screen doing drawings, it has a great deal of Squiggly Profession tales. And in the event you’ve not come throughout a video e-book earlier than, it actually does what it says on the tin. It is about 50 minutes lengthy, it is all damaged down into movies for every of the chapters. You get to obtain the entire workout routines and the workbook. We expect it is a actually attention-grabbing and inclusive method of studying, as a result of it is actually visible. You may break it down, it feels actually bitesize. You may truly obtain it and in addition watch it offline, which I believe is kind of useful for individuals’s commute and issues like that. And really handily, for 4 weeks, everyone who listens to the podcast can get a free copy of The Squiggly Profession video e-book. So, if you wish to attempt it out mainly and simply see whether or not it is useful for you, you will get The Squiggly Profession, after which clearly if you wish to have a look at different ones, you are able to do that. So, how you can get your free video e-book of The Squiggly Profession. It’s essential to go to litvideobooks.com/the-squiggly-career. In fact, we’ll put that URL within the present notes and we’ll share it after we share this podcast episode. After which mainly, you click on to purchase, you go to your cart to do your checkout and also you create an account. After which your code, all capitals, is SQUIGGLYCAREERSPODCAST. So, I do know that is at all times a bit tough to hearken to and jot that down, so possibly that is the one time the place you suppose, “I’ll have a look at the present notes for the primary time ever”, as a result of I do know that is not one thing that I do in a podcast fairly often. Or, you’ll be able to at all times e mail us, helenandsarah@squigglycareers.com, in the event you get a bit misplaced and you may’t discover it. You need to use the video e-book on both web site or cell with the identical login, so hopefully it’s going to really feel useful. I hope that looks like a helpful factor for our listeners, and we might love some suggestions. So, in the event you do get your free copy, in the event you’ve had an opportunity to observe it, we would like to know your reflections, what works effectively about it, any “even higher ifs”, whether or not you suppose it is one thing you’d use once more sooner or later. So hopefully, a great little further Squiggly bonus to begin this week’s episode. Helen Tupper: What a Squiggly bonus; free studying in trade for suggestions! So, let’s speak about synthetic intelligence. So, it’s a matter getting a great deal of consideration and to be sincere, I’ve heard individuals speaking about it and I’ve nearly been considering, “Have you learnt what, I must look into that slightly bit extra”. It has been on my studying record for some time like, “Oh my gosh, is ChapGPT going to switch profession teaching? What does this imply for the way forward for our enterprise? I ought to most likely look into this”, nevertheless it kind of felt, I do not know, very noisy on a lot of social media web sites, and I wasn’t actually certain the place to begin with it. However I assumed it is value experimenting with. So, the rationale we’re protecting it is because we do suppose there’s some potential worth in among the instruments which can be pushed by synthetic intelligence that would assist you to together with your improvement, however we wished to road-test it for you first. So, we wished to take a lot of completely different, I name it use instances, and Sarah’s like, “That sounds method too technical”; a lot of various things that you just would possibly do in your day-to-day mainly, the traditional stuff that you’d do, after which take all these instruments that everybody’s speaking about and work out, are they really helpful; is it numerous noise, or is it useful? Whether it is useful, then possibly we must always carry these into our work, into the way in which our groups work and simply get a bit extra comfy with them. And if it is not useful, possibly we must always simply do what we do rather well as people and cease getting distracted by all of the headlines. So, we’re your guineapigs, we’ve road-tested this stuff for you, and we will be as sensible as doable about what we take into consideration them. Sarah Ellis: I actually keep in mind a couple of years in the past listening to the Chief Artistic Officer of Fb, they usually have been known as Fb at the moment, speaking in regards to the significance of play, and the way while you play with tech, you actually get a really feel for what it does and the way it works. So, as a lot as I believe you’ll be able to examine AI, and I’ve carried out a little bit of studying and I’ve learn a couple of articles and seen individuals share completely different factors of view and views on the ethics of AI, or the way it can work alongside us, quite than towards us, or the way it could make our lives simpler, I do suppose it is solely when you’ve gotten a go that you just simply get an actual concept for the stage that that know-how is at, the way it would possibly assist, whether or not it would not give you the results you want. So, I believe that’s nearly the primary message that I might encourage everyone to have a take into consideration while you’re listening, nearly in a really no-pressure kind of method, can you’ve gotten a play, a bit like Helen and I’ve carried out; and actually, the extra I’ve performed with every thing, the extra enjoyable I’ve had, as a result of I’ve not felt like, “I have to be doing this, as a result of I really feel like it’ll change me tomorrow”; I’ve felt extra, “How can it assist me?” beginning off with an optimistic mindset of considering, “Hopefully there’s some good things to be learnt alongside the way in which”. That has undoubtedly been true, definitely for any individual who’s not as into tech as Helen is. However I believe, if I’ve loved it, I reckon everyone else can too. Helen Tupper: So, what we’ll do is we’ll undergo the conditions after we suppose you should utilize these items and we’ll discuss in regards to the instruments that we tried out, after which we’ll summarise all of it for you. So, within the PodSheet, which you will get from our web site, amazingif.com, you may discover the entire hyperlinks there. After which, in the event you observe us on social media, @amazingif on Instagram, or @amazingif, our LinkedIn web page, we’ll do a PodNote there in order that you’ll obtain it and you’ll check out these instruments and discover them actually simply. However yeah, it is extra about having a play, having a go, experimenting and simply having fun with it and seeing what occurs. I believe that is what Sarah and I’ve carried out. Additionally, Sarah and I have not actually talked about this, so I do not know what she thinks of the instruments that she’s tried out, so I’m listening and studying concurrently you. So, Sarah, the very first thing that you just did was used AI that can assist you write a CV. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, so I used one thing known as Kickresume, and we have carried out a “what labored effectively; even higher if”, clearly, for every of the AI instruments. Who knew the AI might most likely do the “what labored effectively; even higher if” for you of their very own instrument, which will get a bit meta if you consider it like that! However what I actually favored about Kickresume, and usually once I’ve checked out CVs, there at the moment are so many examples to borrow brilliance from. I truly suppose there is no excuse to not have a good CV now, as a result of there are knowledgeable guides you could learn on Kickresume, so it does offer you content material. I believe that content material is written by people; I believe it’s as a result of they describe the specialists. I do not suppose they’re made-up specialists. I used to be like, “What’s actual and what’s not?” However I believe the knowledgeable guides are written, there’s a great deal of examples, there’s a great deal of templates. Then what you are able to do, which I did attempt, is you’ll be able to flip your LinkedIn into your CV, they usually present you step-by-step how you can do it. I adopted these steps and I might do it. Who knew you’ll be able to obtain all your knowledge from LinkedIn, however you’ll be able to! So, I kind of have this file on my pc now with all of my LinkedIn. You actually pop it into Kickresume, you select the template that you really want, so clearly I liked doing that, I liked choosing, I used to be like, “Which one do I would like?” I used to be wanting on the design, clearly I fairly like wanting on the design stuff. After which it kind of places every thing in there for you. Now, is it 100% proper; is it a CV I’d ever ship to anybody? In fact not, as a result of it mainly can solely take and scrape the information that is there. So, would I wish to personalise it? Sure. Are there some stuff you’d change? In fact. Nevertheless it does do, I reckon, 60% to 70% of the exhausting give you the results you want, in case your LinkedIn is updated, as a result of clearly it is put in all of the dates, it is put in all of the roles, it provides you so many solutions of, “You would do it a bit like this [or] this is how you can write a extremely good cowl letter, this is how you can write a extremely good abstract”. The vast majority of what I discovered on Kickresume and on different locations is free. More often than not, there are some free issues you could entry. After which often, in some unspecified time in the future, you hit a paywall, as a result of I assume in some unspecified time in the future they should make some cash. So, paywalls is perhaps, in the event you wished ten completely different templates, or in the event you wished a lot of examples of canopy letters. The one factor I’d say I discovered once I was notably CVs and canopy letters, as a result of I assume they’re an apparent software for AI, is it nearly turns into overwhelming. I used to be like, “Wow, there are 100 completely different choices for what my CV ought to appear to be”, some which you’ll shortly low cost, however I used to be like, “How do I do know if that one’s higher than one other one? They do go fairly far. On the CV templates, they put logos they usually’ll say, “A CV on this format, this particular person was employed by Adidas”, they usually identify the manufacturers and mainly they’re saying, “This has labored”. It is kind of a stamp of approval, which I used to be like, “Oh, that is fairly attention-grabbing”. So, I believe my conclusion on the CV and canopy letter stuff was, it is an amazing place to begin in the event you’re feeling a bit caught. I believe it could problem you to possibly think about doing a CV in a barely completely different method, or possibly together with some issues like expertise or capabilities in numerous methods. I undoubtedly noticed stuff that I assumed, “I might borrow that concept”. Do you continue to must do among the heavy lifting to essentially ensure it displays you and it tonally feels best for you? Sure, however I nonetheless felt like there was a lot of helpful stuff available. Helen Tupper: And you already know you mentioned you linked it to your LinkedIn after which it received you kind of 60%, 70% there with a CV that you’d then must personalise; how lengthy did that course of take, from logging on, connecting with LinkedIn? Sarah Ellis: So, there was a three-step course of, which I did the primary two steps, after which it’s a must to wait 24 hours to get the obtain from LinkedIn, so that you could not do all of it on the identical day. So, I did it yesterday, I received the information at this time from LinkedIn, they each got here via; that was very easy. You actually drag and drop them into Kickresume. The CV seems then straightaway within the template. When you wished it that day, you would not have the ability to do it, however inside two days you’ll be able to. Helen Tupper: Attention-grabbing. Okay, so think about you’ve got received this superb CV that you’ve got from Kickresume, and then you definately’ve improved it your self together with your very human expertise, then you definately get an interview. So, the subsequent little bit of AI we’d like is to assist us put together for an interview, and I used interviewschool.com. So, I went onto the web site, I did it earlier than the paywall, so there’s a paywall factor the place you get a great deal of completely different interviews you could take. I simply went with one which was accessible for everyone. So, Sarah, I interviewed for a gross sales government at Verizon, and I sat there at my kitchen desk, and this AI man interviewed me for the job. And actually, it was so actual that my little boy, Henry, got here as much as me and was like, “Mummy, is that this reside?” and I used to be like, “No, however get out, I am being interviewed by AI. Get out of the display screen!” Sarah Ellis: “Do not interrupt me, I wish to cross this interview, I wish to win”! Helen Tupper: Properly, are you aware, it received slightly bit like that. So, this man, this AI, was asking me a collection of questions that may give me follow when it comes to answering for this job as a gross sales government, and I truly felt slightly bit beneath stress. Sarah Ellis: That is most likely a great factor although, proper? Helen Tupper: Yeah, they usually have been truly fairly good questions. However he’d say like, “Speak about a time while you’ve negotiated for one thing that you just wished at work”, and then you definately reply it. And while you’re answering it, he is nodding and shifting his head in fairly a practical method! Sarah Ellis: So bizarre! Helen Tupper: It is so bizarre! And then you definately do your reply and then you definately press “subsequent query” after which he comes at you with the subsequent query. It does really feel slightly bit like he is coming at you with the subsequent query, as a result of in the event you have been interviewing me, there can be a little bit of rapport. Sarah Ellis: Okay, yeah. Helen Tupper: So, I would ask you a query, you would possibly ask a follow-up query on what I’ve mentioned, so there is a pure circulation that possibly creates connection in an interview; whereas, this was like an interrogation for a gross sales job, slightly bit! However equally, he requested me about six or seven questions, they have been good questions, they made me take into consideration my solutions, and then you definately received suggestions on the readability of your solutions, on key phrases, in your tempo, all these types of issues. So truly, I believe it’s fairly good preparation so that you can really feel slightly bit extra assured. It is kind of like a role-play that nobody else sees, and I’d have provide you with extra concepts because of doing that, than if I would just turned up on the interview with an actual particular person. Sarah Ellis: Gone, straight for interview. Helen Tupper: Yeah. So, I believe it was good. Like I say, I simply did one of many ones that have been accessible, and I believe in the event you pay, you get entry to extra particular jobs, extra particular prep. However I believe it is value it. I’d advocate Interview Faculty in the event you’ve received an interview arising, to practise your expertise, really feel assured in your solutions. Sarah Ellis: Something that you just did not like, or that did not fairly give you the results you want? Helen Tupper: It is purported to generate a report for me and that took fairly a very long time. It mentioned it was going to take it in quarter-hour and it took a very long time, and so I assumed, you already know a few of it is not fairly there but. The concept and alternative is fairly spectacular, however among the tech’s not fairly there but, nonetheless slightly bit glitchy. So, that was most likely an “even higher if” on that platform, however I believe it is very, very practically there. No, I believe simply I would not wish to suppose — are you aware what, it made me suppose two issues truly. It made me suppose, “Gosh, truly interviews are nicer”. So, I would not need somebody to suppose that was what an interview was going to be like, that it’s a must to be interrogated, as a result of I believe it is vital that you just ask questions again, and it’s important that there is rapport, and also you get none of that. After which the opposite factor that it made me suppose was, what if corporations begin doing this as the primary spherical? Sarah Ellis: That is what I used to be simply considering. Helen Tupper: Yeah. Sarah Ellis: Once they’ve received to do filtering, certainly corporations are going to begin utilizing it. Helen Tupper: And also you and me, I believe we might provide you with concepts and it could be the bouncing between individuals that may most likely assist us to be our greatest. So it made me suppose, “If corporations are going to make use of this as first-round screening, I really feel like that would display screen out those that is perhaps actually good, as a result of that is simply not a very comfy method of speaking for some individuals”. So, that is my solely little, “I am not 100% certain about it”. Sarah Ellis: Pink flag? Helen Tupper: Yeah, slightly bit. Sarah Ellis: Yeah. And I believe again to you level about usability, I discovered an actual distinction with every thing I examined. I received very aggravated if it is too exhausting to check. So, I believe with all of them, you already know when it is easy to entry and simple to have a go at, in the event that they’ve mainly eliminated boundaries to entry, they’re all those that I received most concerned in, began enjoying with masses extra. Once they have been making you enroll, and I am certain it is as a result of all of them need your knowledge, however there have been a great deal of hoops to undergo, I simply misplaced curiosity, or I used to be like, “You are making this too exhausting for me to even check out”. I believe with numerous them, as a result of they’re at fairly early levels, those which can be actually sensible are simply making it very easy to check and simply have some enjoyable with. Helen Tupper: Okay, so we have written our CV, we have carried out our interview, we have got the job, we’re now within the day-to-day of our work and we’re most likely in back-to-back conferences, we’re doing shows, we’re doing Groups calls, we’re doing Zoom calls, so how can AI assist us now? Properly, it will probably assist you to to enhance your communications within the conferences. There may be one instrument that I paid for, and it’s poised.com, as a result of I used to be so intrigued about how might this assist me enhance my presenting expertise, my communications, and it is actually good, it is actually, actually good! That is considered one of my favourites. Sarah Ellis: You bought so keen about this, I used to be like, “She completely loves no matter that is!” Helen Tupper: I am undecided you are going to love this. Sarah Ellis: Inform us extra. Helen Tupper: Okay. So that you go on poised.com and I believe I paid £15 and I am going to flip it off quickly, as a result of I simply did it for the advantage of our listeners, and what it does is you join it to your Microsoft Groups and your Zoom account. That was fairly easy, did not take me lengthy to do this. After which it sits within the background of your conferences. Sarah Ellis: Oh my God, no! Helen Tupper: I do know you are not going to love this; wait! So, it sits within the background of your conferences, and each considered one of your conferences, it is recording simply you, not the opposite individuals, simply you. And what it does, it does two issues. So, actual time, you get suggestions in your pitch, your tempo, your filler phrases, your domination of the dialogue; actual time, you’ll be able to see this all flashing up. After which afterwards, what it does is it saves all of the insights on a dashboard, and it provides it a rating. So, you’ll be able to see total what was your communication rating. Sarah Ellis: I am yours now, since you’ve given me a diagram to take a look at. Helen Tupper: I do know, and then you definately get a great deal of suggestions in your confidence and readability and all this sort of stuff. Mine’s slightly bit deceptive, I believe, as a result of numerous what we do on Zoom is we’re presenting Squiggly classes, so it is barely deceptive, however I might simply delete these Squiggly classes and have a look at it extra as precise conversations in conferences, and that may most likely give me fairer. However unsurprisingly, Sarah, I rating fairly extremely on the vitality and my communications, and fairly badly on my tempo, as a result of most of my suggestions is that I ought to decelerate slightly bit, which isn’t new information to you, actual buddy, not AI buddy! So, yeah, I’d actually advocate it. What do you suppose? Sarah Ellis: Yeah, that is attention-grabbing. I imply, I actually do not agree with in-the-moment suggestions, as a result of that is so counter to — I imply, at this time, I used to be speaking to a gaggle in regards to the significance of being current and distraction downfalls and the way the standard of our consideration equals the standard of our considering. So, in the event you immediately are giving real-time pop-up suggestions that’s distracting you from a dialog, particularly in case you are already any individual who is kind of simply distracted, and I typically ask individuals, “How typically are you interrupted in a day?” basically what that is doing is interrupting you. So, I’m very anti that when it comes to focus. Helen Tupper: However you’ll be able to flip it off. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, in the event you can flip it off; nice. Helen Tupper: Each time, I’ve additionally discovered that distracting, however I am simply it now, I believe it is truly recording me now, hilariously! Sarah Ellis: Oh, nice, I am getting recorded and I do not even know; that is precisely why we’d like ethics! Helen Tupper: It would not file you, it simply information me. Nevertheless it says right here, I did a session earlier and it says, “You would have sounded extra assured by deliberately pausing to breathe. It lets you really feel accountable for your message”. Sarah Ellis: Breathe Helen, Goddamn it, breathe! Helen Tupper: Breathe! Then it has slightly assertion that I mentioned, after which you’ll be able to play again, it information simply that little clip. So, the recommendation it provides you, it simply snips that little bit so you’ll be able to play it again and hearken to it. Sarah Ellis: I do suppose that’s helpful. Helen Tupper: It’s actually, actually sensible and I do suppose it is helpful as effectively. I believe I’d advocate this to individuals. Sarah Ellis: I really feel like I might need a go at that one, flip off routinely straightaway the reside suggestions factor as a result of I do not agree with that. I do not perceive how that would ever be helpful for the way in which that our brains work and what we find out about our brains. However I do suppose typically, I’ve received some hypotheses about some issues that I believe I do, however it could be actually nice to get suggestions on these issues that I believe are unhelpful. So, you already know you have been saying, “Possibly I do find out about tempo, however possibly it is actually bolstered that”? I believe I am not pretty much as good once I’m assembly somebody for the primary time, as a result of I believe I get nervous and I believe I interrupt an excessive amount of and I believe I dominate some conversations greater than I wish to. So possibly simply having knowledge in your improvement, we speak about having knowledge, it provides you some actually particular knowledge in your improvement after which presumably, you could possibly then have a look at it over time and see in the event you’re getting any higher. Helen Tupper: Yeah, since you get a rating. Sarah Ellis: That bit, I like. Helen Tupper: You’d see your scores bettering. The “filler phrases” is admittedly helpful as effectively. Mine are sometimes “so”, and this does not at all times make comfy studying, however truly it’s good in your improvement. Sarah Ellis: I am going to do this one. Helen Tupper: Yeah! Sarah Ellis: I like 50% of it and never the opposite 50%. So now, with the assistance of AI, you’ve gotten your dream job, you are smashing that dream job, and also you’re excited about, “The place shall I am going subsequent; how do I discover my profession potentialities?” So, for profession potentialities and excited about the place your profession might take you, I used a instrument known as wouldyouratherbe.com, and this actually encourages you to discover the artwork of the doable. So, it type of makes you undergo a careers quiz asking you a great deal of questions on your self, but in addition about a lot of completely different sorts of jobs, and it’s like, “Would you quite?” So it is like, “Would you quite be a beautician or an engineer?” after which it provides you a brief paragraph about what these jobs contain. So, you do get a little bit of a really feel for, “I do not know what it seems prefer to be an engineer”, however it’s going to describe the kinds of stuff you would possibly do, spending your time doing these roles. And it undoubtedly broadens your excited about all of the several types of jobs which can be on the market. I’d say, of every thing I attempted, it was the one which I loved the least, as a result of it was numerous simply clicking via. So it was like, “Would you quite…?” tens of millions of those questions, “Profession advisor?” and I used to be like, “Possibly that one”, “Or sports activities star?” I used to be like, “Properly, in the event you’re giving me sports activities star; possibly!” So, they’re fairly dramatically completely different they usually attempt to encourage you to maintain going, as a result of they clearly want extra knowledge, I assume, to attempt after which be helpful. After which they categorise them into, “You desire to creator jobs”, for instance, after which they provide you a lot of concepts for, “Okay, if you wish to do creator jobs, listed below are a great deal of examples of what that would appear to be”. It was reminiscent for me of actually profession recommendation that you just do in school, however possibly barely extra refined, and I wasn’t then certain what I’d then do with it. I believe if I might possibly by no means had a job earlier than, you already know in the event you’re actually ranging from scratch, possibly it could assist you to. However I did should fill in numerous stuff about me at the beginning that was all on LinkedIn, and I might truly thought I hadn’t even carried out the opposite instrument but and I used to be like, “Certainly, this might simply — does it not simply know this?” By this level, I am anticipating all AI to be super-smart and simply know this! I used to be a bit nervous a few of it felt not as inclusive because it could possibly be, as a result of I did get requested various questions on issues like my {qualifications}, and I used to be like, “Certainly we wish to give individuals choices and alternatives that aren’t simply primarily based on their training stage?” So, I struggled a bit with how I might discover this handy, the “so what” of this. I’d nearly like to listen to from any individual maybe who possibly in the event you have been in school and you are not even excited about your profession while you’re 16, 17, 18, until you are very vocationally targeted, I assume; however possibly at that time, I might think about it is perhaps a bit extra helpful, as a result of it does simply present you the entire various things, it means you do not restrict your self too quickly; there have been a lot of completely different types and roles. However I wasn’t certain about this one. It’d simply be that I’ve not seen the potential and also you do have the identical factor of, “Am I utilizing this in the precise method?” Nevertheless it did not work for me and I could not consider anybody who I’d then nearly advocate it for. Helen Tupper: It would not sound as helpful as a extra retro curious profession dialog. Like, I’ll have a few curious profession conversations and I’ll learn the way you bought to the place you have to and what you probably did and what you’ve got learnt, and take into consideration whether or not that could possibly be a great match for me in my future. I really feel like I’d get extra worth having a few curious profession conversations in fairly an analogue method, than utilizing this AI Would You Reasonably Be answer. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, and it actually did inform me issues I already knew. So it did say, “You’d most likely fairly like jobs the place you get to create”, and I simply suppose lots of people would already know that. After which it was giving me these very big selection of roles, however possibly not the assist with how you can get there, or what then I would do. And most of the people are coming from, they’re doing one thing at this time and I used to be like, “Now I am being instructed I must go and do set design”. I am like, “Okay, that feels fairly removed from the place I’m proper now”. However once more, possibly we’re not the viewers. So, possibly in the event you’re listening and also you’re at the beginning of your profession, have a go and see you probably have a special expertise; or, if you already know somebody who’s at the beginning, maybe share it with them and tell us whether or not they discovered it helpful. Helen Tupper: One instrument that I used to discover profession potentialities as effectively, excited about what I would wish to do sooner or later, is I used Google Bard, which I believe is definitely fairly like ChapGPT. I believe it’s a must to be part of a wait record, however then you definately instantly get an e mail that goes, “And now you are on the record”! Sarah Ellis: It is only a actually quick wait! Helen Tupper: I do not know whether or not they’re attempting to play with some psychology of, “Oh, I have been accepted right into a membership!” I do not know, however mainly you go onto Google Bard, you be part of the wait record after which inside about two minutes, you are within the group. And I requested it, I assumed, “Have you learnt what, I am going to think about I wish to work at Microsoft”, like considered one of my profession potentialities is to work at Microsoft, and I assumed I’ll ask it about what it is prefer to work in advertising at Microsoft within the UK, what the corporate tradition’s like, what the professionals and cons are of working for Microsoft. And I assumed, are you aware what, I’ll examine what it says with my precise expertise of working in that organisation. Sarah Ellis: Attention-grabbing. Helen Tupper: It was fairly correct! As a result of, Microsoft’s fairly nuanced in that you’ve what I’d consider as huge Microsoft in Seattle, after which you’ve gotten the international locations, that are type of the gross sales engines for the companies. And the tradition, I’d say, within the international locations is kind of completely different to the centre of the enterprise, and it picked up on these nuances, I do not understand how, nevertheless it picked up on these nuances in regards to the distinction of working in nation roles versus in central firm roles. The professionals and cons have been very reflective of my expertise. So, I truly thought, in the event you had a wishlist of 5 corporations you wished to work in and also you have been attempting to work out what might culturally be a great match and what would possibly working there appear to be, I believe utilizing a instrument like Google Bard, ChatGPT most likely does the identical factor, undoubtedly time effectively spent. Sarah Ellis: I received requested that very query at this time. So, after a workshop, somebody got here as much as me and mentioned, “If I used to be attempting to get a really feel for a tradition for a corporation, something that you just’d advocate?” Truly I mentioned, “Properly, take a look at Glassdoor, as a result of that gives you a little bit of a really feel. It may be a bit excessive, nevertheless it gives you a little bit of a really feel. And I mentioned, “Go and have some curious profession conversations, so search for individuals who have possibly labored there beforehand, as a result of that is at all times actually attention-grabbing as a result of then they have no vested , or who work there now who you suppose can be ready to be sincere with you about their experiences”. However that may have been a extremely good construct. This isn’t about simply doing one factor; we’re not going, “Haven’t got conversations any extra”. However in the event you have been like, “I’ve checked out that Google Bard –” why is it known as Bard, by the way in which? Helen Tupper: Properly, is not bard like a scholar; in the event you’re a bard? Sarah Ellis: I imply, possibly I’ve learnt one thing new at this time, I do not know. I do not really feel prefer it’s a really common phrase, is it? Helen Tupper: Wasn’t Shakespeare a bard? We should always most likely know this! Lets go on Google Bard and ask what a bard is?! Sarah Ellis: I simply suppose it is fairly a bizarre phrase, it is not prefer it’s an on a regular basis phrase, however anyway. Helen Tupper: Properly, ChatGPT shouldn’t be actually catchy, is it? Sarah Ellis: I do know, I discover that actually exhausting to say, so I believe they need to rename it. I am obsessive about them renaming this stuff into extra helpful issues which can be simple to recollect. However I do suppose that’s actually useful, getting a really feel for match, we at all times speak about that. Be actually energetic about exploring, get a really feel for what someplace’s actually like, and if it helps you to do this, I can see that being actually helpful. Helen Tupper: So, subsequent up, we’re going to consider, in your common day, how can AI assist you to to save lots of time. What’s attention-grabbing right here is I used a instrument that I believe could possibly be fairly helpful and Sarah has used the identical instrument for a special function. So, the instrument is Wordtune and, Sarah, what did you employ it for? Sarah Ellis: Writing and summarising. Helen Tupper: Okay. So, wordtune.com is the instrument; let me let you know how I used it to save lots of time. So, I used to be studying, effectively, I might seen a report from the World Financial Discussion board which I wished to learn, I believe it was one thing you shared on our Groups channel, Sarah, about expertise and issues, and I checked out it and I used to be like, “296 pages; that is a beast of a learn that I am not going to have the ability to do!” and I assumed, “I’ve received to check these instruments for the podcast”. And, one of many issues that Wordtune does is it summarises PDFs, reviews, web sites. Sarah Ellis: Yeah, I do know, I attempted that too. Helen Tupper: And so, I simply added this 296-page World Financial Discussion board report and inside, I do not know, 30 seconds, possibly much less, it had summarised all of it for me and I used to be like, “Wow, that is fairly helpful”. Now, once I say summarised, it hadn’t carried out one paragraph, it did not condense the 296 pages into one paragraph. What it did is it summarised each web page, so I might scroll down it and I could possibly be like, “Okay, web page 1, that is the important thing takeaway; web page 2, that is the important thing takeaway”, so I nonetheless needed to scroll down. However what I discovered was fairly helpful was, I used to be in a position to go, “That web page 36, that appears like most likely the bit that is most related for me”, and I might go and spend extra time studying the pages that have been related. It was a great first filter. What I do not suppose it did was gave me the ultimate reply that I’d wish to get to. So, once I’m studying a report, I am wanting and my specific factor that I am attempting to get out of it’s key stats and statements which can be actually sticky. And I believe for me, I used to be like, “That looks like a Helen human ability”, to have the ability to learn that report and go, “That is a sticky stat. I can write a LinkedIn publish on that” or, “That is a good suggestion, there is a nugget in that that we will use in a podcast sooner or later”. And so, that curiosity connecting dots factor, it would not try this. It mainly collects a lot of dots and summarises them for you, nevertheless it misses the stuff that makes it actually attention-grabbing, as a result of I believe it nearly condenses it in fairly a generic method. Actually good for saving time; I do suppose it was actually helpful, however I do not suppose it replaces the necessity to learn and select the factors that seize curiosity. Sarah Ellis: So, I completely find it irresistible. I’m very, very onboard with Wordtune, because it seems; I am like, “Oh my God, that is good!”. I do suppose mainly I might let you know a lot about it, I’ve spent a lot time on it! Helen Tupper: She’s so excited! I’ve by no means seen you so enthusiastic about know-how. Sarah Ellis: So, you’ll be able to put in — I believe I am blown away by how intelligent some tech is typically, I am like, “Oh my God, it is simply so intelligent!” So, you’ll be able to put in a paragraph, for instance, and it will probably rewrite, so it will probably actually rewrite a sentence, and it provides you a lot of choices; that is what I actually like about it. It would not simply go, “This is a rewrite”, it goes, “This is three rewrites, you select the one that you just like the very best”. You may shorten, so you’ll be able to actually click on on a button that claims, “Shorten”, and it simply makes it extra condensed and easy; you’ll be able to increase it; you should utilize informal or formal tone, I liked enjoying round with that and clearly I most popular the extra informal tone. And so, I used it on an instance. So, very particularly, somebody in our group at Wonderful If lately requested me to rewrite one thing for them. They have been like, “I am struggling a bit to articulate this factor. Sarah, can you’ve gotten a go at rewriting it?” and I used to be like, “Yeah, actually blissful to do this”. I try this fairly a bit for individuals. I am broadly okay at writing; not superb, however okay. So then I used to be like, “Would this be higher than me?” So, I do know what I’ve written, so then I might check myself towards it. By that time, clearly I used to be getting fairly aggressive, I used to be like, “Do I beat the bot?” mainly, “Are you able to beat the bot?” It seems most likely not. For one thing like writing, I checked out it and I used to be like, effectively, if we had used this as a group, you have to know your personal tone, you have to know your personal fashion, however I checked out it and I used to be like, “Yeah, there are two or three right here which can be fairly good”, and also you then must tweak a tiny bit. However I used to be considering, “I believe any individual might try this for themselves, then they would not want me”, after which I spend time on issues which can be including much more worth than me rewriting some sentences. So, as a lot as you are able to do it, I used to be like, “Properly, it is simply higher”. I imply, I used to be making Helen chuckle, as a result of I wished to do it at the beginning and she or he would not let me, of the podcast. I put our podcast intro into it and I used to be like, “How would you introduce Squiggly Careers podcast?” I then put what we typically say and I put that into it. I used to be like, “All of this stuff are higher than what we do!” Reid Hoffman, one of many founders of LinkedIn has written a e-book. I believe he is written a e-book utilizing ChatGPT; I believe that is what he used. It is fairly exhausting to inform typically it is not written by an individual. I do suppose their copy expertise, while you’re writing easy, easy issues, do they write inventive copy? I’ve received to hope nonetheless that people can try this, however I do not know. I used to be like, “Is that this going to assist us write our subsequent e-book?” Possibly. It is higher than you suppose. I’d be naturally so anti that, I might again myself, I might be like, “Properly, no, my writing will at all times be higher, they will not get our tone”. The extra I’ve used it, the extra I am like, “Possibly it ought to write our subsequent e-book, possibly we must always cease writing books as a result of the AI will simply do it for us”. It is actually made me query life, this one has! I used to be like, “I’ve received so many questions”. Helen Tupper: I imply, I assumed this was going to be a podcast about prime suggestions for individuals to check out tech — Sarah Ellis: Oh proper, yeah, sorry! Helen Tupper: — nevertheless it looks like we have began to query the universe and our function in it as human beings; it is gone fairly deep fairly fast! Sarah Ellis: Properly, while you begin to see it’s good, truly good, I used to be like, “Oh, okay, effectively…” and in addition, it simply would not hassle me, as a result of I am not that bothered about with the ability to — if that may write a greater sentence, what I really like is best sentences. So, if that is what will get to raised sentences, then nice. However I nonetheless suppose you most likely want the human enter, you have to know what you wish to write first. However for many enterprise writing, a lot of enterprise writing is not actually inventive, we’re attempting to be quick and particular and concise, and that is one thing a lot of individuals wrestle with and this solves that downside. Helen Tupper: It does make you suppose, would not it about, “Properly, how do you beat the bot?” If the bot’s going to get higher and higher, and it’ll get higher at writing actually, actually shortly, it’s going to be taught your tone and will probably be ready to do that actually shortly; so then, are you higher than the bot due to the questions you ask of the bot? So, does with the ability to write actually good downside statements and provide you with actually good questions, is that the ability that you just spend money on? You would lose confidence fairly shortly with a few of these issues and go, “Properly, what is the level of me writing social media copy when the bot can simply do it for us?” however truly I believe it is like, do not attempt to compete with tech that’s accelerating very quick, it is a dropping recreation, I believe it is a dropping recreation, however take into consideration, “What expertise turn into more and more related when that little bit of my ability’s been outsourced to a different instrument?” I used a extremely comparable, simply in case individuals wish to attempt a special one, I used GrammarlyGO, which has precisely what Sarah says. You may put in a paragraph and it’ll write issues for you. I received it to jot down me a LinkedIn publish. It wasn’t fairly my tone, nevertheless it had among the identical performance that Sarah mentioned, like shorten it, make it extra casual, all that type of stuff, which I fairly like seeing. The factor with GrammarlyGO is, I imply I can see it on my display screen, it integrates. These items, it is a bit like Poised; it integrates into your techniques, it is actually exhausting to eliminate it. So now, each time I kind on my Groups or on my emails, I simply see the Grammarly pop up on a regular basis and I am like, “No, go, actually go, Grammarly, however not the GrammarlyGO you are attempting to market to me; go, depart me alone!” Sarah Ellis: “Go away!” Helen Tupper: Yeah, “Go away, Grammarly!” So, I do must do some deleting of some issues that I’ve downloaded for the sake of this podcast. Sarah Ellis: Oh, yeah, me too. I believe I’ve subscribed to about 4 million issues after which at one level I began to suppose, “I must cease utilizing my e mail handle”, genuinely, I used to be like, “That is going to be actually annoying”. So, yeah, what we do for our listeners! Helen Tupper: Proper, we have got a pair extra every, everyone. Actually fast one which I’d advocate attempting out in the event you discover you fairly like watching video content material, notably on YouTube; so, if one of many methods you be taught is by watching video content material, actually good instrument known as videohighlight.com. I used to be actually impressed by this. So, I took a video — we put all of our weekly PodPlus classes onto YouTube. I took a hyperlink from YouTube of considered one of our PodPlus classes, I pasted it into VideoHighlight, and VideoHighlight immediately transcribed our 30-minute PodPlus session, not solely into the precise factor that Sarah had mentioned, as a result of it was Sarah presenting, nevertheless it summarised what Sarah had mentioned into headings and bullet factors. I imply, you are fairly succinct and helpful anyway. Sarah Ellis: Did it make me sound good? Helen Tupper: Higher, even higher! Sarah Ellis: Good! Helen Tupper: It was bullet factors. It was a headline after which, “Listed here are 5 coach-yourself questions”, and it summarised all of them. Actually helpful. My caveat on this, it did not work with TED. So, TED should have some particular coding with the TED Talks that sit on YouTube that meant you could not do it with that. However another YouTube video, and it took, I imply, lower/paste press the button after which 10 seconds later, you’ve got received a transcription. VideoHighlight.com; effectively value a glance. Sarah Ellis: And so, the ultimate AI use case that we will speak about at this time is for teaching, and in a lot of methods I believe that is nearly the obvious place, as a result of we all know that we wish teaching to be extra accessible, extra reasonably priced, and this can be a good way for this to occur. So, I used a instrument known as heypi.com, and it is truly not designed to be a profession coach, I do not suppose, if I’ve understood it appropriately. I believe it is designed extra to be like your buddy, or extra like an individual to simply chat to. However I assumed I’d ask it some profession questions simply to see what occurred, as a result of I used to be even considering at this time truly, once I went out to get a espresso, so typically once I’m being nosey and I overhear conversations, I hear individuals speaking to one another about their jobs or about their careers, and infrequently I actually wish to dive in and say, “Have you ever listed to episode … of the Squiggly Careers podcast; it is perhaps helpful?” Clearly I do not try this. However I believe we do discuss to our pals and our households about our jobs and our careers, and so regardless that I believe there’s most likely a separate episode in teaching/tech and AI and the way it is perhaps helpful and when it won’t be, I truly thought it is perhaps useful to attempt one thing barely completely different, quite than a extra apparent teaching AI. And I used to be truly stunned, I used to be actually impressed with the standard of the questions that the AI can ask you. So, I used an instance of claiming, and it’s an instance, Helen, I promise, “Feeling a bit caught in my profession, feeling demotivated, I believe I wish to do one thing completely different”. So, that was my stimulus, my place to begin. And yeah, it was asking me actually good, open questions, superb coaching-style questions. It was empathetic in fashion, I felt prefer it actually understood me. I believe I might undoubtedly make pals with a robotic, I am so needy. And it additionally made some fairly respectable solutions. So, the kind of issues it began to immediate, I do not really feel it was patronising or telling me what to do, nevertheless it was saying, “If that is one thing you actually take pleasure in”, I believe I put “creativity”, you already know, “might you carve out a bit extra time in your day job for that, or truly does that really feel too troublesome to do?” So, I felt prefer it was like an empathetic buddy would, listening to what I mentioned, providing me some choices, after which letting me discover and seeing the place I went from there. I believe the issues that did not work for me is I nonetheless did not really feel that it was an alternative to a profession dialog, however what it’s is rapid and accessible. So, in the event you simply wished to have a play with it and you have got a direct profession query, “How do I ask for a pay rise? I am having a extremely troublesome relationship with my supervisor”, you could possibly get some preliminary ideas or questions that I believe can be fairly a great place to begin for teaching your self. So, nearly you would possibly use it to do a little bit of considering to immediate some considering, you already know, does it offer you any solutions or stuff you’ve not considered for your self, so it furthers your personal considering; after which, I believe you could possibly take that into an much more significant profession dialog. So, I can begin to see how AI might make profession conversations even higher. They assist you to to do extra of the exhausting work for your self, and we all know that is essential, as a result of then you definately really feel extra possession in your solutions and in your actions. The largest downside I had with it was that the tone was method too enthusiastic for me. There’s numerous exclamation marks and, “Superior!” I do not know why I really feel it feels like that, however that is what I felt prefer it seemed like. So, after a bit, it received a bit grating and I kind of went, “This isn’t fairly for me in its present type”. However it is usually very clear, which I appreciated. On the backside of the web page it says, “That is nonetheless very a lot being examined, it makes errors, do not essentially depend on this for recommendation”. And so, in the event you have been considering, “Properly, is that this telling me that is the precise reply?” I assumed it was very clear that it was like, “Oh, no, it is making some solutions”. It is supplying you with some choices; it is not attempting to let you know what to do, which I do suppose is a extremely good factor. So, like numerous our different instruments, I might actually see potential, even when it is not fairly there but. Helen Tupper: So, hopefully you’ve got discovered {that a} useful pay attention, everyone. We all know we have gone via a great deal of completely different instruments, so they’re all summarised within the PodSheet, which you will get on amazingif.com. If there are different instruments that you’ve tried out that you just suppose we must always find out about, please e mail us, helenandsarah@squigglycareers.com. And after we publish this on social media, which can be on @amazingif on Instagram, and on our LinkedIn web page there, please remark, share, in order that different individuals can have a play with this stuff. Our perspective is simply the extra we play, the extra comfy we get, and the extra we additionally see how these may also help us and the way we’d want to assist ourselves with our very human expertise too. So, thanks a lot for listening, everyone, and we’ll be again once more subsequent week. Bye everybody. Sarah Ellis: Bye for now.
