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147 | Profession Reinvention – Dr. Shirley Raines, College of Memphis

Episode 147 is dwell! This week, we speak with Dr. Shirley Raines in Oak Ridge, Tennessee.

Dr. Raines is a speaker, creator, and marketing consultant. She was the primary lady President of the College of Memphis, and efficiently served for 12 years. Dr. Raines started her profession as a preschool trainer earlier than turning into a Head Begin Director, a founding father of a group little one heart, a trainer educator, a division chair, a dean, a vice-chancellor after which The College of Memphis President. Dr. Raines is the creator of 17 books on kids’s literature, literacy, creativity and curriculum improvement.

On at present’s episode, Dr. Raines shares:

  • The way to succeed at our job search once we’re completely different than the competitors
  • The way to make main profession change, and reinvent your self
  • The way to tackle a job that covers abilities outdoors of your space of experience
  • How dad and mom can finest assist their grownup kids job search
  • And, Dr. Raines solutions your listener questions!

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Copeland Teaching Podcast | Episode 147 | Profession Reinvention – Dr. Shirley Raines, College of Memphis

Airdate: October 17, 2017


ANGELA COPELAND: Welcome to the Copeland Teaching podcast. I’m your host, Angela Copeland. On the telephone with me at present, I’ve Dr. Shirley Raines in Oakridge, Tennessee. Dr. Raines is a speaker, creator, and marketing consultant. She was the primary lady president on the College of Memphis, the place she efficiently served for 12 years. Dr. Raines started her profession as a preschool trainer earlier than turning into a Head Begin director, a founding father of a group little one heart, a trainer educator, a division chair, a dean, a vice chancellor, after which the College of Memphis President. Dr. Raines is the creator of 17 books on kids’s literature, literacy, creativity, and curriculum improvement. Shirley, thanks for becoming a member of me at present.

SHIRLEY RAINES: I’m excited to affix you and to know that I’m interacting and can be interacting with a few of your listeners by way of the questions they’ve submitted.

ANGELA COPELAND: Sure, as I discussed earlier than we obtained began, persons are so enthusiastic about this interview at present that I obtained an amazing variety of questions. I’ve reduce it again to 3. On the finish, hopefully we’ll have an opportunity to cowl them, however everybody was so excited to listen to that we’d be chatting.


ANGELA COPELAND: Effectively, you already know, once I look again in your profession, it’s been so spectacular, and one of many themes that actually caught out for me was being the primary individual to do one thing, and it appeared such as you have been fairly often the primary individual, together with as I discussed the primary lady president on the College of Memphis. And I’m simply questioning if we’re job in search of and we really feel completely different, you already know, possibly we’re the one lady or possibly we’re completely different in another approach, what recommendation would you could have for us and the way can we succeed once we are completely different.

SHIRLEY RAINES: It’s actually essential to go forward and check out, declare your self as wanting that place, and make a match between what the place requires and what your information and {qualifications} are, after which go for it. If we proceed to attend for folks to faucet us on the shoulder to take a place, then we could also be ready for a very long time. I had that have. I used to be a division chair in three completely different universities, however I didn’t apply to be a division chair. I waited till somebody stated, why don’t you do this? However ultimately whenever you desire a job, you must say, sure I need that job, and we as ladies usually wait for somebody to say you’d be good at that. However you must take a look at your self and say, would I be good at that?

ANGELA COPELAND: Oh that’s attention-grabbing. What made you type of change your personal thought course of between whenever you have been type of ready to be tapped and whenever you determined to kind of faucet your self, so to talk.

SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively I didn’t notice at first that I used to be ready to be tapped. It was solely after two experiences, one the place I used to be the youngest school member and I used to be requested to chair a division, and the opposite once I was requested to chair a division that was endeavor a really completely different reorganization that concerned a number of [[INAUDIBLE]]. So I started to say, what’s it about myself that they assume I may do job? And albeit, within the first occasion, it was as a result of all people else had turned them down.


SHIRLEY RAINES: So typically it’s taking that troublesome job that it looks as if no one else desires, however you could have one thing particular. Both folks belief your otherwise you’re communicator, however they’ve discovered one thing about you that claims you possibly can be good at this. So after I’d been a division chair twice, I ultimately stated, you already know, possibly I’ll apply for the following job, and that’s what occurred. So take a look at what you already know, what you wish to do, however be prepared to declare your self.

ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, that’s nice. So is that the principle approach that you simply declared your self, by simply making use of for the job and placing your hat within the ring?

SHIRLEY RAINES: Sure. After two occasions of being tapped for the place, then the third time, at one other location with a way more bold set of tasks, I made a decision to declare myself.

ANGELA COPELAND: I like that. It’s so easy. It doesn’t sound prefer it was that difficult, however it was extra simply recognizing in your self what you wished to do.

SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively I believe it’s complicating whenever you take a look at turning into self-aware. That’s the difficult half. Then as soon as you’re self-aware of your expertise, your abilities, what you deliver along with your background, then you must declare your self. However some self-analysis goes alongside approach, and that’s why profession coach may very well be a fantastic asset.

ANGELA COPELAND: Effectively, that’s a extremely good level, and as we type of speak about your profession background, one other theme that actually popped out for me was main profession change. I imply, even within the introduction, I discussed the variety of various kinds of roles you had as you type of reinvented your self time and again, and I’m curious what you realized from your personal profession reinvention that you simply really feel is useful for job seekers who need to reinvent themselves.

SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively, one of many first issues you might discover attention-grabbing is that I needed to reinvent myself as a result of I wanted to earn more money. I used to be divorced and had a younger son, and a preschool trainer’s wage was not going to get us what we would have liked as a household, for the 2 of us. So I seemed for a place in the identical area that paid extra money. And I believe there are lots of people on the market who’re like that. They could love their current job, and I beloved each job I did, however they want extra money, and so you must take a look at what’s the subsequent step up, and what does it require. Now that wasn’t the case for all of the steps. I used to be remarried and really fortunately remarried and supported in my profession by my husband. It was not true at that time, however a few of the earlier adjustments have been made as a result of frankly I wanted to earn more money. Many individuals in training do, and different careers as effectively.

ANGELA COPELAND: I do assume that actually drives quite a lot of our want for change, you already know, if we’ve discovered ourselves in an uncomfortable state of affairs.

SHIRLEY RAINES: I believe the opposite half that’s concerned in profession reinvention is solely a thirst to know extra and study extra. That thirst to study extra after I turned a Head Begin director, it was to study extra about little one development and improvement and to study extra in regards to the power of people that come from poor backgrounds and to assist academics to grasp and never [[INAUDIBLE]] their kids simply because they’re poor. However there are typically motivating elements that you simply simply wish to study extra, know extra, after which when you already know extra, typically the factor one has to appreciate is, to be able to do extra with what you’ve realized, you want a special place, and in order that turned a driver for me. However I’ve to say, my profession, I by no means imagined turning into a college president or a Head Begin director or a teacher-educator. I believe my life unfolded, and many individuals’s do, and it developed over time, my thirst to know extra, my want to do extra was a pure evolution of being somebody who was a learner but additionally simply attempting to grab alternatives that got here alongside. So I have to say I used to be not a long-term planner, aside from a number of occasions, once I determined to do a doctorate, once I determined to maneuver to completely different elements of the nation to pursue my targets, however had they not labored out, I might have been content material the place I used to be as a result of every place—I’m very lucky—every place was very significant in my life.

ANGELA COPELAND: I believe you make a extremely good level. You realize, I communicate with job seekers fairly often who really feel discouraged as a result of they appear round them they usually assume that their buddies have a grand profession plan that’s been deliberate from the start they usually really feel like they’re the one ones that issues are simply type of evolving for over time, however I don’t assume it’s that uncommon truly. I believe whenever you look again, it makes good sense to me how a profession may have developed. However we don’t all the time know to start with what the tip will appear to be, I suppose.

SHIRLEY RAINES: No. No. And I believe there are some individuals who know at a really early age. Perhaps they pursue a medical diploma, or no matter. However even with these folks, there’s an enormous size of time of their training, they could not know that they’re going to evolve from non-public apply to hospitals to managing a well being care system. There are evolutions that occur that appear proper for us on the time till we’re what we’ve realized and albeit what society has to supply for us.

ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, that’s so true, as a result of timing and society, type of what’s obtainable at that given second in historical past makes such a giant distinction too.

SHIRLEY RAINES: Proper. Don’t anticipate the right job. Take one and do it extraordinarily effectively, as a result of that’s what opens the door to the following one.

ANGELA COPELAND: Completely. And also you additionally talked about kind of lifelong studying and I believe being attentive to the place you could have that curiosity and the place you have an interest to study extra. I believe that’s actually useful as effectively.

SHIRLEY RAINES: Sure. Completely.

ANGELA COPELAND: Effectively, in order I used to be type of reviewing your historical past in additional element, I spotted, and it’s apparent I suppose, however whenever you have been a college president, your tasks have been gigantic. I imply, it encompassed issues like finance, advertising, communications, scholar affairs, I imply, all these completely different departments—

SHIRLEY RAINES: Educational affairs, athletics, buildings, amenities, sure, all these issues.

ANGELA COPELAND: Proper, proper, and once I speak to job seekers, one of many issues that usually scares them from making use of to a job is they are saying, I don’t learn about this explicit a part of the job. And I’ve to assume that whenever you began as college president, you might not have had expertise in all of these areas.

SHIRLEY RAINES: No, I didn’t. What I did have was I had seen different individuals who had completed that job. I used to be shut sufficient to the president of the College of Kentucky and the vice chancellor there that I had seen them work in these areas, and so I knew what the tasks have been. However I additionally knew that there have been gaps in what I wanted to study, but additionally that nobody is aware of the whole lot about these very all-encompassing jobs, and also you rely upon the folks you appoint as vice presidents or administrators to have the depth of data that you could be lack. Nonetheless you do have to know one thing about all of the areas so that you simply’re not completely naive in these numerous areas. As an illustration, I inform the story on this guide that I’m writing about my management alongside my profession path, and it was, what do folks assume you gained’t know one thing about? As an illustration, folks would usually ask me, the girl within the search about, did I do know something about athletics? Effectively, I used to be married to an athlete and I previously had been married to an athlete and I had been very concerned in athletics all my life, however they assume when you’re a girl you don’t learn about athletics. So I may study extra and to persuade them that I knew extra. And the opposite factor that they ask you about rather a lot was finance and enterprise. Effectively, I had grown up on a farm the place all people’s funds means the whole lot, and directed applications, federal applications, and began an unbiased childcare heart, and whereas the finance and enterprise operations develop bigger with each job change, the truth is you already know the fundamentals, however I made a decision to steep myself within the college’s funds and truly through the interview course of requested a replica of the college funds, and I used to be the one one who did. And one of many issues that helped me there was, by learning the funds, I may see the college’s priorities and sources of funding and take a look at it from a wide range of methods, and I obtained assist from the College of Kentucky by asking them some questions that associated to budgets. So you must work out two issues: one, what you actually don’t know something about, and two, what you assume folks can be fearful that you simply don’t know sufficient about, and discover out extra info, what the priorities are, what the eye is, the attentional issues which are wanted to be solved at that cut-off date in that individual space.

ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, I actually like that. I believe you make such level about what do different folks fear about you, as a result of you already know, whenever you’re getting employed it’s very a lot about perceptions. And so that you’re type of addressing that notion. And I believe these worries come up much more whenever you’re the one that is completely different. So it’s very good. It’s a extremely, actually good technique. Effectively so, if we’re job looking, and we’re jobs that possibly stretch our ability set or possibly are outdoors of our consolation zone, what recommendation would you could have for us when it comes to methods to pursue these alternatives? Like, ought to we apply to one thing if we don’t meet each requirement? Based mostly in your expertise, what would you suggest?

SHIRLEY RAINES: I believe you do apply when you meet a lot of the necessities and when you can present in your paperwork or in your interview that you simply’re gaining expertise within the different space or areas, in order that clearly you’re going to be evaluated on whether or not you’re a match or not, so that you’ll get pluses all alongside the way in which since you’re match, however in an space which may be crucial within the job that you simply don’t know, you should assist them perceive the way you’re studying that space, and that may often fulfill folks. They’re fascinated about somebody who can do the job and develop with the job. Nobody goes to have the whole lot in good order. All jobs today are multidimensional. In order that’s my finest recommendation, at the very least.

ANGELA COPELAND: I completely agree. I actually assume it’s higher to use and provides it our greatest shot, particularly if we expect we will in all probability do the job, then to not even put our hat within the ring, so to talk. Effectively so, on a type of a special observe, I’ve observed a development currently that I’m guessing that you will have seen earlier than slightly bit, and that’s, I’ve had quite a lot of dad and mom reaching out to me and wish to assist their little one to get an interview for a job and needs to essentially be concerned within the little one’s job search, and the kid could also be 25 or 35, so that they’re possibly not a lot a toddler anymore, and I do know that they wish to assist, and I’m simply curious, out of your view, how can dad and mom assist their grownup kids to develop into the profitable person who they need them to be with out going possibly too far, I suppose.

SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively, I actually did have that very same dilemma, as folks wished me to encourage their kids to enter this or that area or to use for legislation faculty or no matter, and I might all the time say to them as dad and mom, have your little one name me and let’s speak, however I might not give the dad and mom recommendation. So I might say to oldsters, it’s okay so that you can attain out to somebody, however again off rapidly, and let the kid or the younger grownup take the initiative, as a result of one of many issues we all know is that if folks aren’t prepared to take the initiative, they’re in all probability not going to achieve success in that diploma or profession. So these dad and mom can encourage and in the event that they’re decided to succeed in out to a profession coach or a college professor, that’s nice, however instantly count on that the profession coach, the college professor or administrator goes to go proper again and say, have your little one name me.

ANGELA COPELAND: I completely agree. I truly had two dad and mom attain out to me final week and I had a really related response to every one, the place I stated, “Hey, have your little one contact me. I’d love to talk with them.” And one guardian immeidately despatched an introduction between me and their little one, and it was very optimistic, and the opposite guardian was truly very offended, and stated, we select to not speak to you as a result of I would be the one footing the invoice and I’m not . I perceive that, however on the similar time, the entire objective, proper, is for the kid to be self-sufficient.


ANGELA COPELAND: And when you do the whole lot for them, I don’t assume they develop their very own sense of what they wish to do.

SHIRLEY RAINES: That’s completely proper, and I believe there are methods within the background for fogeys to assist, to offer your title to them, to say right here’s what I’ve came upon about doable jobs within the space, what can I do that can assist you get your supplies collectively, not do it for them, however help in getting them collectively, and if they’ve expertise themselves in these areas, to say, right here’s what I believe persons are on the lookout for at present. These are simply good guardian recommendation, however initiative-taking is admittedly the younger grownup’s, it’s actually their duty and it reveals much more about whether or not they are going to be profitable or not.

ANGELA COPELAND: Yeah, I completely agree, and I type of surprise if it is a new phenomenon as a result of I don’t bear in mind this from 20 years in the past or so.

SHIRLEY RAINES: I believe it’s.

ANGELA COPELAND: Okay. I used to be curious, as a result of I don’t bear in mind once I was popping out of school that my dad and mom weren’t looking for a job for me or my good friend’s dad and mom weren’t doing that both, so I believe it’s possibly a brand new factor. Effectively, when it comes to kind of steps in our profession, the following step that quite a lot of completely different folks I communicate with pursue is that they wish to pursue a sophisticated diploma, so one thing like an MBA, they usually come they usually have quite a lot of questions on, you already know, which faculty they need to choose, which program they need to choose, and I believe that they usually initially really feel that, for instance, each MBA is identical, and whenever you speak to somebody who’s contemplating going to graduate faculty to pursue an extra diploma, what recommendation do you could have for them when it comes to selecting the correct faculty or selecting the correct program?

SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively you already know I’m going to say go to the College of Memphis.

ANGELA COPELAND: Proper. In fact!

SHIRLEY RAINES: However I believe what they should contemplate is the MBA differs, whether it is an MBA, differs in several colleges and there are completely different alternatives inside these levels. And so one is to make sure to look on the web site and in addition speak with different people who find themselves in that program, significantly if it’s an area program. Discuss to different folks to make certain that there’s a good match between what the chances are. And counselors, graduate counselors, graduate professors, love to speak with individuals who could also be fascinated about their diploma, so make an appointment with somebody and speak with them in regards to the diploma and perceive what you’d be stepping into. The opposite is when you’re planning to switch and go some other place, or your partner has moved some other place and also you wish to pursue a program, I might have the same strategy in that I might discover out as a lot as doable on-line, however then I might get the private contact, not simply on the telephone, however asking for an appointment to see a counselor and, if doable, even in a brand new group, discover somebody who’s learning in that program and get the within view.

ANGELA COPELAND: I believe that’s a fantastic level, and, you already know, the factor that you simply talked about about having conferences with the professors, I believe that’s a brand new one. Even once I was making use of to high school, I used to be simply starting to appreciate that that was even an choice, as a result of whenever you’re an outsider to the college, it feels I believe slightly bit such as you can be imposing on the professors or that they wouldn’t have time to satisfy with you.

SHIRLEY RAINES: They’re very wanting to get new graduate college students and to get one of the best graduate college students, so for them it’s a chance.

ANGELA COPELAND: So would you suggest, like, if we have been to arrange a gathering with professor, that we simply kind of like search on-line for his or her electronic mail deal with and electronic mail them, or what’s kind of one of the simplest ways to do it?


SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively, I will surely do this, however what I might need you to do is do your personal background work first, evaluate the web site, take a look at the necessities, so that you simply include very particular questions you wish to ask, and the opposite factor you should know is very often, professors will invite you to take a seat in on one among their lessons, in order that’s one other alternative, particularly for graduate faculty.

ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, that’s attention-grabbing. That’s very attention-grabbing. I don’t assume I did that once I utilized. I’m positive it might be very useful, although. I imply, graduate faculty is such a giant dedication each financially and time-wise. You undoubtedly wish to analysis the applications. Effectively, as we talked about to start with, I solicited listener questions, and like I stated, I obtained too many to ask, however I’ve narrowed it down right here. The very first one is, what’s your perspective on feminine management in greater training, and is the hole widening or closing?

SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively, the hole is closing. There are various extra feminine directors in greater training beginning on the group faculty stage, and not too long ago there have been extra ladies appointed in four-year graduate universities. I really feel privileged to have been the primary lady president on the College of Memphis, however now whilst you’re employed at Memphis, you see a girl president at Rhodes, a girl president at [[INAUDIBLE]], and a girl president at Southwest Neighborhood Faculty. So the hole is closing. Alternatives are rising as a result of as ladies are profitable leaders then it paves the way in which for different ladies to comply with.

ANGELA COPELAND: That’s a extremely good level, and that’s nice information.

SHIRLEY RAINES: Proper. One of many disappointments is, there are fewer ladies school members than there are male school members.


SHIRLEY RAINES: However as that adjustments as effectively, there can be extra of a pool of ladies to select from who’ve greater training expertise.

ANGELA COPELAND: That’s true. That’s an excellent level. I suppose the adjustments, it simply takes time.

SHIRLEY RAINES: It takes time, however I simply assume ladies must be very inspired that the demand and issues of provide of upper training and better training funding are advanced, and I believe that persons are on the lookout for good leaders no matter whether or not they’re male or feminine, and I’m simply actually thrilled to see what’s occurred in Memphis.

ANGELA COPELAND: Sure. Completely. Completely. Effectively so the following listener query comes from a girl named March, and she or he says, I used to be so impressed together with her partnership that she fashioned between the College of Memphis and the small group faculties. This program is a win-win for everybody. And I simply wished to ask why you assume this kind of partnership is so necessary between the College of Memphis and the small group faculties?

SHIRLEY RAINES: The College of Memphis and group faculties have been in the identical system, the Tennessee Board of Regents system at the moment. They have been collectively, and it simply made sense to me that if folks have been going to start out their educational careers on the group faculty stage, they wanted to make certain that all the credit that they have been incomes on the group faculty stage have been accepted on the College of Memphis, and this truly, we began this in Memphis, however it additionally later was a program that the Tennessee Board of Regents adopted to go statewide, and ultimately after TBR had been profitable, the College of Tennessee did the identical factor. So Tennessee as a state was forward of its time, however we knew that there have been lots of people at Southwest Tennessee Neighborhood Faculty who may very well be good college students on the College of Memphis, and we have been all the time on the lookout for the place we may discover good college students. And we additionally had quite a lot of college students from Jackson State Neighborhood Faculty and truly Dyersburg State as effectively. However after all being in Memphis, Southwest was essential for us. So it was to discover a good pool of scholars however it’s additionally to offer good alternative and to ensure their training {dollars} and credit labored finest for them.

ANGELA COPELAND: That’s nice. That’s such level, and I truly once I was in highschool took a number of group faculty lessons, and I bear in mind speaking about that, whether or not or not they’d switch, as a result of it’s simply so necessary whenever you spend the cash to take the category to know that it’s going to finally be capable to go to your closing diploma.

SHIRLEY RAINES: Proper. And we inspired folks to take faculty lessons in highschool, and people alternatives have broadened truly as effectively.

ANGELA COPELAND: Completely. So one other listener wrote in named David, and he stated, I’m to study extra about her perspective on the normal campus versus on-line training and the way she sees the expansion, accessibility, and employer acceptance of the latter, significantly associated to working adults. So I believe David is simply asking to match on-line versus conventional training, and whether or not firms are prepared to just accept on-line training or not.

SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively let me speak about conventional and on-line, and fairly than it being conventional campus versus on-line, what we discovered was that lots of our conventional campus college students who lived on campus or commuted to campus, usually additionally took programs on-line, as a result of they discovered what was most handy for them, or was one thing they felt snug in taking on-line. So it was not versus one or the opposite. Typically it was that they have been doing each. And since College of Memphis has been doing on-line training for years, even doing partnerships with folks on completely different continents, it was one thing that’s increasing and I consider will proceed to increase. I personally do effectively with some conventional on campus programs as a result of I like seeing folks’s faces, having the interactions with them earlier than and after class and so forth, however now, with improved media, these boundaries appear to not be as a lot of an issue as they as soon as have been. So I consider that the acceptance of on-line training now grows. I do assume it nonetheless issues what the fame of the college that’s delivering the web training is, and so its acceptability by employers is usually associated to the place that credit score comes from. So we all know that to be true. So I might say to David and to others who’re, I believe that on-line training will proceed to develop, I believe accessibility will proceed to occur, I believe employer acceptance is dependent upon the establishment awarding the credit score, and I consider working adults ought to pursue on-line training, and I like the concept frankly of, even when you’re doing on-line training, if you could find others in your personal group who’re doing that very same on-line course and get collectively, that has some advantage as effectively.

ANGELA COPELAND: Oh I completely agree, and I believe it goes again to that concept of steady studying and by no means planning to simply cease rising your information. That’s such wonderful recommendation. Effectively, thanks. And I simply wished to ask you, what’s subsequent for you? You talked about that you simply’re writing a guide. What’s happening in your profession?

SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively, I’m talking across the nation. My background academically, you already know, is in early childhood training, so I proceed to talk on that subject, principally with people who find themselves administrators and leaders of their applications, and so that’s the place my management coaching is available in. After which I’m doing a little work with greater training establishments the place I’ll run on schedule for subsequent month to facilitate a retreat among the many highest ranges of the directors on campus and we speak about what they wish to obtain and I’m the facilitator for his or her assembly. After which I do some chatting with ladies’s teams simply on growing their management qualities and skills. So I’ve a video that’s within the archives in [[INAUDIBLE]], which is a really distinguished management improvement group, and it’s on ladies in management roles. So I’m writing, however I’m persevering with to seek the advice of and do coaching. My guide is “From Preschool Trainer to College President: Management Classes.”

ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, that’s wonderful.

SHIRLEY RAINES: So I’m hoping that your listeners and others will need the guide as soon as I get it collectively. My problem is I’ve quite a lot of guide and I have to edit it down. In order that’s my stage at this level. However I inform quite a lot of good Memphis tales.

ANGELA COPELAND: Glorious. Effectively you could have a lot good experience and expertise, and I can’t wait to see the guide, and I do know everybody is admittedly appreciating all this nice recommendation at present. The place can we go to study extra about you and the work that you simply’re doing?

SHIRLEY RAINES: Go to, which is my web site, and also you’ll see a number of issues. I additionally often write on LinkedIn, to allow them to search me out on LinkedIn for info, and I’m pleased to reply emails, significantly individuals who, due to their experiences, need me to narrate to them and so in the event that they wish to contact me by electronic mail, they will write And I’m positive in the event that they wrote you, they’d refer them to me as effectively.

ANGELA COPELAND: Oh, completely. And I’ll put hyperlinks to all this info within the present notes in order that it’s straightforward to get to.

SHIRLEY RAINES: Nice. Fantastic.

ANGELA COPELAND: Shirley, thanks a lot. This has been so useful and so thrilling for me. I’m simply actually honored to have you ever at present.

SHIRLEY RAINES: Effectively I’m honored to be with you, Angela, and I do know that your listeners are going to learn out of your teaching and I hope that our paths will cross in actual life quickly.

ANGELA COPELAND: I believe they may. I believe they may. Effectively thanks once more, and thanks everybody for listening, and because of these of you who despatched me questions. You’ll be able to ship me your questions at You may also ship me questions through Twitter. I’m @CopelandCoach, and on Fb, I’m “Copeland Teaching.” Don’t overlook to assist me out. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts and depart me a evaluate.

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